Flush Draw - stay till the river?

[Upward_Trend]

I've been battling with this hand while loosing some and winning some by holding a flush draw to the river.

What's the general strategy out there for this move?

Say, I have Kc 8c clubs and the flop comes Ad 5c jc.
So i have a 4 card flush - miss it on the turn with say a 6h - there is one chap betting 3x the BB after the flop and after the turn. Do I stay in for the river at this point or fold? I have him pegged as having a high pair, aces is what I suspect. Do I risk another 3x the BB to see the river?

thanks in advance

[Fonzi]

I would fold there. But my first question is why are you in a hand with K8s? Were you the BB?

I like playing suited cards in position, but I prefer for them to connect K8 doesn't connect. Also keep in mind that the A he has may be the Ac at which point you can very well be way behind.

[Upward_Trend]

I guess that was a bad example that I pulled out of the air - normally I would throw out a hand as I set up in my example. I run my own result percentages and the success rate of a flush draw is about 1 in every 5 hands - and that's a high flush (above a J) --- a low flush draw is about 10% so I don't touch that one with a 10' pole.

So is it partical to say that a 10c Jc under the same circumstances would generally take someone to the river?
let's say we show on board - Ah Qc 9h 5c --- so we open up a couple of more outs for a straight as well

Oh yes, position wise I was the BB -

[Assistanc3]

by holding a flush draw to the river.

What's the general strategy out there for this move?

for me it depends on ........

• is player known as tight, I fold more
• is player known as loose, I call 1/2 the time
• is it possible I hit my over card(s) can win vs loose
• is calling not the best option, maybe raising
• I can't believe I got this far with this hand, I get out now
• can my chip stack allow this hit

[Upward_Trend]

Originally Posted by Assistanc3

for me it depends on ........

• is player known as tight, I fold more
• is player known as loose, I call 1/2 the time
• is it possible I hit my over card(s) can win vs loose
• is calling not the best option, maybe raising
• I can't believe I got this far with this hand, I get out now
• can my chip stack allow this hit

all very good thoughts to take to the hand Assistanc - thanks -
here's one I played last night in a cheapie tourney - it didn't pan out - I am lead to believe that the odds of turning a suited card on the river in a case like this is 1:2 - actually have a document that says that - not sure I believe it in my case - I have chit luck ;-)


I am xPLan-Man - on the button (I am out 1000 of 6470 chips in attempting my win
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Table '118934561 234' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: cavedvan69 (3490 in chips)
Seat 2: TINGUI (3865 in chips)
Seat 3: jumpthesky (3325 in chips)
Seat 4: girlie_024 (2035 in chips)
Seat 5: 20096 (7360 in chips)
Seat 6: ballen00 (6700 in chips)
Seat 7: elKaid (4875 in chips)
Seat 8: xPlan-Man (6470 in chips)
Seat 9: drkirker (7440 in chips)
drkirker: posts small blind 100
cavedvan69: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to xPlan-Man [Jh Kh]
TINGUI: folds
jumpthesky: folds
girlie_024: raises 200 to 400
20096: folds
ballen00: folds
elKaid: folds
xPlan-Man: calls 400
drkirker: folds
cavedvan69: calls 200
*** FLOP *** [6h 2s 9h]
cavedvan69: bets 200
girlie_024: calls 200
xPlan-Man: calls 200
*** TURN *** [6h 2s 9h] [9c]
cavedvan69: bets 200
girlie_024: raises 200 to 400
xPlan-Man: calls 400
cavedvan69: folds
*** RIVER *** [6h 2s 9h 9c] [8c]
girlie_024: bets 600
xPlan-Man: folds
Uncalled bet (600) returned to girlie_024
girlie_024 collected 2900 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2900 | Rake 0
Board [6h 2s 9h 9c 8c]
Seat 1: cavedvan69 (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 2: TINGUI folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: jumpthesky folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: girlie_024 collected (2900)
Seat 5: 20096 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ballen00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: elKaid folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: xPlan-Man (button) folded on the River
Seat 9: drkirker (small blind) folded before Flop

[Assistanc3]

I'm folding on the turn
there is a re raise...so I know I am not going to see a free river

with your position, you could have raised onthe flop.
you might have got 2 free cards or possibly taken the pot then.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by Upward_Trend

I've been battling with this hand while loosing some and winning some by holding a flush draw to the river.

What's the general strategy out there for this move?

Say, I have Kc 8c clubs and the flop comes Ad 5c jc.
So i have a 4 card flush - miss it on the turn with say a 6h - there is one chap betting 3x the BB after the flop and after the turn. Do I stay in for the river at this point or fold? I have him pegged as having a high pair, aces is what I suspect. Do I risk another 3x the BB to see the river?

thanks in advance

Originally Posted by Upward_Trend

I guess that was a bad example that I pulled out of the air - normally I would throw out a hand as I set up in my example. I run my own result percentages and the success rate of a flush draw is about 1 in every 5 hands - and that's a high flush (above a J) --- a low flush draw is about 10% so I don't touch that one with a 10' pole.

So is it partical to say that a 10c Jc under the same circumstances would generally take someone to the river?
let's say we show on board - Ah Qc 9h 5c --- so we open up a couple of more outs for a straight as well

Oh yes, position wise I was the BB -

You say you are in the BB
Is the guy who is leading out the SB and are you seeing the flop on an unopened pot
IMO you should really be looking at your play on the flop rather than later streets
If i'm first to act with these hands in an unopened pot i wanna find out where i am as soon as possible

[Upward_Trend]

Originally Posted by Assistanc3

I'm folding on the turn
there is a re raise...so I know I am not going to see a free river

with your position, you could have raised onthe flop.
you might have got 2 free cards or possibly taken the pot then.

Good advice - I've heard that before on a video or two -- bet early or get out -- don't be a calling station,,,,
If I had have thrown in a reraise at the flop it would force the others to tell their tale through their reactions --

[Mist]

The most important thing to remember when drawing to a hand is your pot odds, implied odds and reverse implied odds. These facts decide wether drawing is +EV or -EV.

To answer your question, there isn't any general strategy. Every hand is different and brings up a new situation.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.