How to deal aggainst floating

[Mist]

I often have trouble dealing aggainst floating when playing ring games or when I'm deep in a MTT.

Here is an example.

NLHE, 9man, 250/500/75
Hero (MP) - 10k
Villain (But) - 13k

Folded to Hero who raises 1750 with [AsKs]
Folded to Button who calls, SB and BB both fold.

Flop: [7Q4] rainbow

Hero bets 2000 into a 4925 chip pot
Villain calls.

Turn [Jh]

Hero checks.
Villain bets 4.5k.
Hero folds.

Could you guys give me some tips on how to fight aggainst beeing floated?

[Assistanc3]

show strenght instead of weakness.
if you bet 1.75k preflop and then 2k on the flop.... looks like a basic CB that is scared.

again, this not an example of floating.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Assistanc3

show strenght instead of weakness.
if you bet 1.75k preflop and then 2k on the flop.... looks like a basic CB that is scared.

again, this not an example of floating.

I agree that the c-bet was too small, and that I probably should've shot another barrel on the turn. Though the reason why I didn't was because I didn't want to tangle with the big stack.

And btw, this is a perfect example of floating.

Floating is when you call a bet on the current street with the intention of stealing the pot on the next street, with small regard to what card next comes out. Floating is generally done in position, but that doesn't always have to be the case.

So I don't see the point of you saying this isn't floating, because this is exactly what it is.

[Assistanc3]

it's not floating cause we don't know "Villain"'s cards

what other cards could Villain have to make that play other then a bluff
(underlying property of floating-to bluff)

AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QJ, QTs, JTs, 77, 44*

Floating is the process of calling a flop bet without much of a hand in order to try and create the thought in your opponents mind that you have a powerful hand and are deliberately letting them take the lead and bluff their stack off to you.

In today's game, the most common example of a pure bluff is the increasingly popular "float" maneuver. Essentially, "floating" involves calling your opponent with nothing, with the intention of taking the pot away from him if he shows weakness on a later street.

[NobleTruths]

Whether you were floated or not.....that's not really the point, as I see it. Yes, your continuation bet could have been bigger (half pot wont scare away a determined player), but it also gave you valuable info....that you were likely behind at that point. Could he have been floating? Sure. Do you want to throw any the tourney to find out? Probably not. A/K is a drawing hand, and you were still drawing. Donks fall in love with their cards, and go down with them. Are you a donk?

As to your question of how to deal with floating....it is the same strategy you use against the unwise "all-in" players....patience.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Assistanc3

it's not floating cause we don't know "Villain"'s cards

what other cards could Villain have to make that play other then a bluff
(underlying property of floating-to bluff)

AA, KK, QQ, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, KJ, QJ, QTs, JTs, 77, 44*

My point here is that even though you can't be 100% sure Villain is floating, it is just a hand I posted as an example of what floating is (executed from Villains point of view).

But back to the original question.

Let's say you play for two hours at the same table with this player, and you see that he is very active and has done this play many times before aggainst you when you've raised pf and made a c-bet on the flop.
You think to yourself that surely he can't connect with the flop every single time.

What advice do you have aggainst these type of players?

[Assistanc3]

there is only one move that works back on a "float" bet
and that is to re raise.

you see that he is very active and has done this play many times before aggainst you when you've raised pf and made a c-bet on the flop.

now is when YOU float (check raise)
you don't do the CB and let them take the lead, which you know he will...


it really is a dangerous game to check raise w/ a bluff
really goes to image

[KingBorgo]

Originally Posted by Mist

What advice do you have aggainst these type of players?

My philosophy: When in doubt, bet. When you are unable to bet, raise.

[KeepBlinkin]

hey guys calm down! this forum is to learn from experience not to fight to know who is right or wrong.

[Fonzi]

Originally Posted by KeepBlinkin

hey guys calm down! this forum is to learn from experience not to fight to know who is right or wrong.

Poker theory is argumentative by nature, I love the different opinions.

Remember, there is no one correct way to play poker.