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Old 03-28-2008, 01:21 AM
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Skill or Luck?

Online poker, is it skill or luck? For the most part I believe it is skill and you make your own luck by the way you play. But there are days when the poker gods just wont cooperate What is your opinion?
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:24 AM
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If it was all luck, none of these people could be professionals and make money consistently. It would be like being a professional powerball player.
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:51 AM
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i was reading somewhere the other day aboutt his. i dont know where the article was but the study found that its skill. iw ill luck for the article and post it here
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Old 03-28-2008, 01:53 AM
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Student tackles luck versus skill debate
by Earl Burton

The latest volley in the controversy over whether poker is a game of skill or of luck has been fired from a most unlikely platform: a small college located in Ohio.


Michael DeDonno, a doctoral student in psychology at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, conducted two studies at the university that have caught the attention of the Gaming Law Review. It published an article by DeDonno, coauthored with Case Western psychologist Dr. Douglas Detterman, in which he details the results of the two studies.

His conclusion is likely unsurprising to most poker players, but may come as news to government regulators.

"This article provides empirical evidence that [poker is a game of] skill and not luck," DeDonno indicated.

In the first study, DeDonno took 40 students with little to no poker background and had them play roughly 200 hands among them on the Wilson Turbo Texas Hold'em software.

Half of them were briefed on basic poker strategy, including starting hand charts and the logic of professional players to play only about 15% of their hands. The other half were only told about the history of the game and were not given any of the statistical or analytical information.

At the end of this experiment, the two found that those players who had the strategic lessons performed better at the felt than their uninformed compatriots.

To confirm these findings, DeDonno and Detterman ran the same experiment again, upping the number of hands played to over 700. While all the players steadily improved with the extra practice, noted DeDonno, those who had the strategy background still did better than the players making their decisions in the dark.

"If it had been pure luck in winning, then the strategies would not have made a difference for the two groups," said DeDonno.

DeDonno is convinced the results of his study have applications beyond the felt. He believes his theory can be applied to help people facing real-life situations in which only partial information is available, such as investments and home-buying. He also contends that the poker simulation has applications in psychological testing for decision making and risk taking.

The results of DeDonno and Detterman's study could have an effect on the way the legal system looks at the game of poker. If it could be firmly established that poker is a game of skill, it would remove it from the "games of chance" laws that many areas of the United States have on the books.
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:11 AM
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It it weren't for bad luck I'd rarely lose. It's a game of skill with an element of luck
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:15 AM
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are you channeling Phil Helmuth? or is that Mike that always says that
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Old 03-28-2008, 02:22 AM
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i just hope this opens the eyes of congress but i doubt it will.
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:22 AM
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Very interesting read targetguy1, thank you for your reply
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Old 03-28-2008, 11:19 AM
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I know some great online players that play high stakes games and with their great skills to the game, they are winning or making final tables day by day or week by week. Whereas for low stakes players, it's more difficult to make these with only skills and will mostly need luck than skills.
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Old 03-28-2008, 03:27 PM
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I agree with Calmplay because at the lower stakes tables you have less skilled players that play terrible hands and get lucky.
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