Will the USA Invade Iran?

The American administration has been seriously looking into the issue of the "axis of evil" lately. The pressure on Syria resulted in a certain effect, and then American official
s paid attention to North Korea. A military operation in Iran is rather probable. At least, there are two justifications for it to take place: supporting terrorists and the development of weapons of mass destruction. These two justifications were enough for the USA to invade Iraq, and it did not matter that they eventually turned out to be fake. It does not look like anyone over at the Bush's administration will try to find a good basis this time. One is left to hope that the present pressure on Iran will remain only psychological. However, recent events in Iraq have proven that Washington prefers to shoot first. Am I wrong? Damn :(

[ForkGuide]

If we go into Iran, I believe I will move to Canada or the UK or somewhere. This administration is out of control in my meager opinion.
Hopefully, Buzz or Chum have room in their country for one more. :-D

[MONEYMAN06]

I hope that doesnt happen, why do we need to go invade Iran now?? Or is this another one of George Bush's clever ideas. Hasn't he learned that not many people really care what he thinks anymore. We have lost so many lives because of him already, why go lose more. Unbelievable that there even considering this. Truly Unbelievable. We need to get this joker out of office.

[respira]

considering we have a president who I consider to be the true "axis of evil" it is very possible. why are there never any crazy assasins out there when we have a bad president? why do they always come out of the woodwork when we have a good president? sheesh...go figure.

[BoilerUp]

Originally Posted by MONEYMAN06

I hope that doesnt happen, why do we need to go invade Iran now?? Or is this another one of George Bush's clever ideas. Hasn't he learned that not many people really care what he thinks anymore. We have lost so many lives because of him already, why go lose more. Unbelievable that there even considering this. Truly Unbelievable. We need to get this joker out of office.

Moneyman we are probably about to go into iran for the simple fact is that they are admitting to making weapons there to support iraq but the big reason i believe is that they agreed to hold all the militia and terrorist group training there since we are in iraq. This is probably a bad topic ugh but, the president isnt the reasons lives are lost, the UN fkn rules are the reason. Do you honestly think if Bush could save the lives of several thousands by sending in 3 trained hit man and eliminate the entire deck of terror cards he wouldnt? That is the way the military is trained and they are doing the best they know to search terrain they are unfamiliar with and its hard but something had to be done. If we pay all this money every year to produce a military and major units such as 82ndAA and 101st screamin eagles are trained for deployment, what do we have them for? Its a fact that we as a nation were under attack. Its a fact that when we first invaded and launched our attack in afghanistan and iraq later bush was still ahead in the agreement polls. As lives were lost so was the approval rating. What happened to the recruiters offices when we all knew what was about to go down? They were flooded, record numbers of enlistment! That was our nation speaking. Everyone is quick to approve before they think of the consequences. If we were discussing the attack and the a measly percent of the people were behind it in the beginning, who knows what could have happened. Maybe couldve all been avoided. We will never know, cuz when the dust cleared, america was PISSED! Anyone that is COMMANDER IN CHIEF when that happens is in a no win situation. Something needed to be done, our vulnerability had been exposed, and who knew what could be next. Maybe we didnt find weapons of mass destruction in iraq, but Saddam broke several laws that were violations of the UN. So we had a right to be there. I do feel for the troops and everyone of their families and loved ones. I did one enlistment and spent a majority of my time on the DMZ line at the north/south korea border. One thing I know, when you take your oath and are sworn in and u say u will sacrifice your life, you dont doubt it one bit. The people I personally know that are there and have been there, do believe they are doing something and havent once said i wish wed quit! Sure they miss home and say its fkd up over there but they fell they are on a mission that is the right thing to do. One thing is for sure, at least the effort that went into catching hussein this time, didnt go undone. Im just sick of the Bush bashing and the michael moore movies lol. Bush waited how long to see how we reacted as a nation? Thats my point! Had a positive approval rating after the air raids, got reelected, by all the same people btchng about him all the time. Okay im going to stop now :-D

[OldBookGuy]

Well, 12Car, I gotta agree with you.

Also, though Bush's reason for going into Iraq were not totally valid, it is / was something that really should have been done long ago.

my reason is simple.

saddam publicly stated and paid terrorist bombers families 25-50K after they blew themselves up. Americans in the area vacationing were killed.
He was paying to have innocent people killed.

THAT and THAT alone was MORE than enough justification.

BTW, it was the Democrats who WANTED to go to war in Iraq when Clinton was president, the republican's said no.

When Bush became president, the republicans said yes and democrats said no.

Ah what a tangled web this whole mess is.........

obg

[1derdawgg]

I could go on the longest rant of all time about this but I won't. Iran used to support the same group we did trying to depose the Taliban and now support facets of the Taliban regime to force us out of the region.

I honestly believe that Iran would stab the Taliban in the back if their efforts to remove us from the region succeed. Iran is positioning itself to be a global power. It has the resources it needs and the unstable climate to make a serious run at it.

The truth of the matter is that the majority of Iranian citizens despise their leadership. They are just powerless to do anything about it. Everything we interfere with we fail because our objectives aren't clear and our elected officials are inept and inadequate at foreign relations. Clinton was terrible. Reagan did some good things by taking on the Soviet Union and running them into the ground, but at what cost. We aren't heros to liberated countries from the old soviet block. Where is the support from the disgustingly cynical French and Germans that speak out of both holes.

Why hasn't the rest of the Arab world rallied to support Afghanistan? Is it because it isn't an oil rich country? Why did the world abandon Africa? Why does it continue to ignore it? Africa has all the benefits a corporation could ask for with more people willing to participate. Are we afraid to enrich the BLACK people like we have the rest of the world?

I'm no civil rights advocate. I've used the n-word in conversation like any other disrespectful moron has. I just don't know who to believe anymore. We rally behind and support the same tools that keep making the same blunders and wonder why the world doesn't understand the true American feeling towards them. We don't support the people that support us. How are the general populations that are oppressed by tyranical governments like Iran supposed to know that any one else supports them if the only media outlet they have is that joke Al Jazerra or the national news.

The American public only want what's best for the world and always have. We are every bit as skeptical of our leaders as the world is. Conspiracy theorists cook up ridiculous stories of us planning attacks to enable us to go to war, but if you ask an American soldier on the ground he will tell you he isn't there for revenge. He's there to fight for human rights, justice, and peace for his family back home. If terrorists all of the sudden shifted their attacks from bombs to propaganda and marches, they'd suffer the same number of losses but would win the support of the world. The only trick is that the world would have to rise up and support their efforts and sacrifices. We can just say oh no more bombs no problem and go back to watching MTV. Their regimes couldn't survive if the world pulled a Gandhi and hunger struck them into submission. If the greatness that was Martin Luther King proved anything it was that people just need to be treated like people equally. No extras and no freebies just give them the freedom and respect you expect to receive yourself.

We can sit on a thrown here while we still punish women like they were inferior when in fact they are the backbone and pure fabric of any and all society.

I wasn't going to rant or preach, but I did. I scaled over a bunch of topics. I am just disgusted by so much of what I see and the fact we continue to allow the same group of idiots to lead us down the wrong path. Diplomacy and compromise is the only option to dealing with Iran. If we use military action we would rip their whole system apart as well. We would lose thousands more soldiers, and many many thousands more innocents would die. The fighting would never stop and the warlords would still reign.

This isn't a holy war. This is a couple jaggoffs like Al Sadr trying to be kings. Have you seen footage of that fat bastard walking through a crowd supporting him. He hasn't missed a meal in 5 years and all those dirty tired starving people around him are so disillusioned they have no where else to turn.

I'm going to far again. I quit. I will not vote for Edwards, McCain, Hillary, nor any of these other scrubs. I will vote for Barak Obama and if he is just another one of these idiots I will quit our system and shed a tear for all those that died for it.

[MONEYMAN06]

Originally Posted by twelvecarfan

Moneyman we are probably about to go into iran for the simple fact is that they are admitting to making weapons there to support iraq but the big reason i believe is that they agreed to hold all the militia and terrorist group training there since we are in iraq. This is probably a bad topic ugh but, the president isnt the reasons lives are lost, the UN fkn rules are the reason. Do you honestly think if Bush could save the lives of several thousands by sending in 3 trained hit man and eliminate the entire deck of terror cards he wouldnt? That is the way the military is trained and they are doing the best they know to search terrain they are unfamiliar with and its hard but something had to be done. If we pay all this money every year to produce a military and major units such as 82ndAA and 101st screamin eagles are trained for deployment, what do we have them for? Its a fact that we as a nation were under attack. Its a fact that when we first invaded and launched our attack in afghanistan and iraq later bush was still ahead in the agreement polls. As lives were lost so was the approval rating. What happened to the recruiters offices when we all knew what was about to go down? They were flooded, record numbers of enlistment! That was our nation speaking. Everyone is quick to approve before they think of the consequences. If we were discussing the attack and the a measly percent of the people were behind it in the beginning, who knows what could have happened. Maybe couldve all been avoided. We will never know, cuz when the dust cleared, america was PISSED! Anyone that is COMMANDER IN CHIEF when that happens is in a no win situation. Something needed to be done, our vulnerability had been exposed, and who knew what could be next. Maybe we didnt find weapons of mass destruction in iraq, but Saddam broke several laws that were violations of the UN. So we had a right to be there. I do feel for the troops and everyone of their families and loved ones. I did one enlistment and spent a majority of my time on the DMZ line at the north/south korea border. One thing I know, when you take your oath and are sworn in and u say u will sacrifice your life, you dont doubt it one bit. The people I personally know that are there and have been there, do believe they are doing something and havent once said i wish wed quit! Sure they miss home and say its fkd up over there but they fell they are on a mission that is the right thing to do. One thing is for sure, at least the effort that went into catching hussein this time, didnt go undone. Im just sick of the Bush bashing and the michael moore movies lol. Bush waited how long to see how we reacted as a nation? Thats my point! Had a positive approval rating after the air raids, got reelected, by all the same people btchng about him all the time. Okay im going to stop now :-D

12 I respect your opinion, you bring up a good argument. Let me just say I am not on the Democrat or Republican side. At the beggining of the War, I was for it, but at this point I think we have just overdone it. This topic is kind of tender so I'm not going to get into any big details. I agree we shouldn't let anyone come onto are turf and start pushing us around (9/11), but I think we have accomplished what we needed to be accomplished (catching most of the terrorist), so its time to get out of there. If we go invade Iran than what...than we get more terrorist people against us, and its going to take a domino effect...and than its going to get even uglier. I could go on talking about this topic for a long time, but I'm going to just stop right here...if you've noticed I've already let my bias get the best of me...LOL.

Originally Posted by cdubya44

If we use military action we would rip their whole system apart as well. We would lose thousands more soldiers, and many many thousands more innocents would die. The fighting would never stop and the warlords would still reign.

And I would just like to say I think Cdub stated it very well, especially the part mentioned above...my opinion is pretty close to his.

[krhoden]

you guys are deep thinkers

[lion]

violence recipricates violence. I value all the opinions in this thread, although some of them are a little off base. Air raids and out of country prison camps will never solve the root of the problem. America is slowly cultivating world war 3. There comes a time in all uprisal, whether it be a spousal argument or world conquest, when you must ask yourself "Are my actions getting me the outcome I want?" We will never bring peace to the world through military action. Iraq wasnt involved in the attacks of 9/11, but they will be more than happy to get involved the next time. We have other options. Our problem is we keep letting democracy get in the way of freedom.